Timeline for What is a "listed natural gas appliance"?
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| May 2, 2019 at 6:17 | vote | accept | Turch | ||
| Apr 30, 2019 at 21:54 | comment | added | user71659 | @DanNeely Actually NRTL is irrelevant in this case. NRTL is run by OSHA and as a result, OSHA only supervises under a limited set of occupational safety standards. Many home appliances do not fall under OSHA's occupational safety purview, and test labs therefore cannot become NRTLs. For example, this fireplace is listed by PFS, not a NRTL, to UL 127, not on the list. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:52 | comment | added | Putvi | I'm glad it helped if it did. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:52 | history | edited | Putvi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:49 | comment | added | Turch | @Putvi Ok, that's exactly what my comment was trying to clarify. Thanks for the extended explanations! | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:41 | comment | added | Putvi | You would have to ask Denver, honestly, but I have never heard of a city not honoring a company certified by OSHA. Normally, you would just assume that it would apply, unless the city told you otherwise, but I meant the city has that right. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:39 | comment | added | Turch | Ah, so if a certification company is and OSHA "NRTL", it doesn't necessarily mean that Denver will accept it? In that case, how do I find out if "Bay Area Compliance Laboratories" (an OSHA NRTL) is accepted by Denver? | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:35 | comment | added | Putvi | The local government has the right to make their own list, and other countries do as well. He is saying that UL is already accepted by all those entities. Like if you made your own testing lab, Denver could say no to you even if OSHA said yes or another country said yes. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:33 | comment | added | Turch | @DanNeely That makes sense. If I'm understanding correctly: If it's on OSHA's list it will be accepted at any local level, otherwise if the local government recognizes it (whether via an official list or unofficial "that's what we've always done" list). Is that correct? | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:28 | comment | added | Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight | @Turch to be broadly accepted you'd need to get your testing company nationally recognized or convince your specific locality to accept your work as being equivalent (good luck). UL is just by a large margin the best known in the USA. (The only other one on the list I recognized was TÜV, and only because of a project where we needed to meet German compliance standards.) osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtllist.html | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:28 | comment | added | Putvi | You could start your own company to certify things. There are others out there. It's just that UL's standards are agreed to be good by most governments around the world, not just here in the US and your company would not have the same standing at first. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:28 | comment | added | Turch | In other words, is there any other requirement to "listing" other than some entity saying "I declare this is safe, and will be responsible for any damages if it is not"? | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:25 | comment | added | Turch | What I am asking is, UL is a corporation (not a government entity) that "certifies" things. What prevents me from starting a corporation with my own standards and certifications? Obviously if something my company certified turned out to be faulty, my company would be liable (which is the same thing that would happen to UL). But, until the failure, is there a legal difference between getting my hypothetical grill certified by UL and my own corporation? | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:22 | comment | added | Putvi | No, it wouldn't be legal because you admit you didn't have it listed, obviously. I am not the UL people, but they would access your grill and tell you it was good or what to improve. It would just go on a case by case basis. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 20:19 | comment | added | Turch | So, to legally have my homemade grill on my balcony, am I allowed to certify it myself or do I have to form a corporation? (which would probably be a good idea anyway to protect myself from the future lawsuits from the fire caused by my poorly designed grill) This comment was frivolous at first but after thinking about it, as a diy/tinkerer that likes welding and metalwork, maybe someday I would be interested in making a homemade grill. Would having that on my balcony be legal? (And as for the corporation part, as far as I know UL is just a corporation with no government oversight) | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 19:45 | comment | added | Putvi | I understand. I just don't think there's room for that to be anything else. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 19:41 | comment | added | Turch | That's what I assume as well, but as far as I know the law doesn't work on "I thought I was allowed", which is why I'm clarifying. | |
| Apr 30, 2019 at 19:40 | history | answered | Putvi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |