Timeline for Are there states that don't require having a family name?
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| Jun 17, 2020 at 8:31 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Feb 25, 2020 at 17:47 | comment | added | phoog | @Trish yet I know some Sikhs whose surnames are neither Singh nor Kaur. How is that? | |
| Feb 25, 2020 at 16:22 | comment | added | Trish | @MarkJohnson Different rules apply to Sikhs: If you are a male Sikh, by religious doctrine, your surname is always Singh. If you are a female Sikh, your surname is always Kaur. No stray from the path. It's however more of a title (meaning is Lion/Princess and eaequivalent to Sir/Madame) replacing what we use as family name. | |
| Feb 19, 2020 at 0:45 | comment | added | phoog | @MarkJohnson Correct, but your comment stating that the "passport conventions" specify that surname is a mandatory entry implies that a person with only a given name cannot be accommodated by the passport standard, and that is not correct. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 22:04 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog It does not change the fact that the 1920 field called 'Name' and now called 'primary identitfier' is a mandatory field that must be filled out showing the main name in that field, resolving the problem that different countries had different naming conventions (including the order they are written). | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 21:07 | comment | added | phoog | @MarkJohnson I'm sure that is true, but it does not change the fact that the current standard allows passports to show a single name. Any country can, of course, require multiple names, but the passport standard itself does not require them. It also allows countries to specify their own rules about the distribution of multiple names between the primary and secondary identifier fields. As I noted in a comment on the question, there are many places where people can have a single name, and there are certainly examples of internationally known people from those places who have only one name. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 20:54 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @phoog The ICAO standard is based (started from and has envolved from) the League of Nations Passport Conferences of the 1920's. It was there where certain mandatory entries were defined and in some cases how they were to filled (height had to be a measurement and 'tall' etc.) The form of 'Name' and Christian Name' was left to the laws of the issuing country. Before that passports were issued in what ever form each country sought fit. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 17:31 | comment | added | phoog | @MarkJohnson the International Civil Aviation Organization maintains a standard for travel documents with which almost every country's passports comply. This standard does not require a surname as such. It requires only a primary identifier, which, for a person who has only one name, is the person's one name. It also allows a secondary identifier. The primary identifier is typically the family name or names, while the secondary identifier is typically the given name or names, but this is not necessary, and countries can use these fields differently if they want to. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 12:13 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | @JohnDoa Maybe as an extra law question: General overview of legel requirements of Surnames prevailent in the world today? This artical give a nice summary of how Surnames based on the Givename of a parent work. How Did Iceland Become a Nation with No Surnames?. For this question it would probably be considered off-topic. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 10:02 | comment | added | user29977 | @MarkJohnson PMO this is extremely viable information that should appear in an answer ; just saying. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 6:46 | comment | added | Mark Johnson | Also the Passport Conventions, on which the present day passports are based on, is a surname (whether patrilineal / matrilineal / patronymic or matronymic) a mandatory entry. '0' will not fullfil any of the 4 basic naming conventions prevailent in the world today. | |
| Feb 18, 2020 at 3:59 | history | answered | Dale M♦ | CC BY-SA 4.0 |