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| Nov 15, 2015 at 12:24 | comment | added | John Duffield | @jimsug : the act itself is (say) assault. Bullying isn't just one act, it's a series of such acts. It often occurs within an institution that says it has a zero-tolerance attitude to bullying, but actually turns a blind eye to it. It's like the big kid's name is Flashman, and he's a prefect. I've had notes saying "your child was involved in an incident with another child" to explain the bruise. And when I've investigated, I've found that the same kid hit mine, again. Schools cover it up. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 12:01 | comment | added | jimsug | @John, whether or not the institution attempts to prevent or stop the act has nothing to do with whether it is bullying or not. The person allegedly doing the bullying will be found to be bullying or not based on their own actions, and not whether others attempt to intervene. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 9:59 | comment | added | John Duffield | @fabrice d : I don't feel bullied, if that's what you're thinking. Like I said in my answer, downvoting isn't bullying, but it could be symptomatic of bullying. It's an interesting subject. If some big kid hits you, that's not bullying, that's assault. Bullying is when he keeps on doing it, and the school doesn't stop it. And sometimes, pretends it isn't happening. I have some personal experience of this with my own children at school, and IMHO the situation is somewhat similar in social media. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 3:12 | comment | added | HDE 226868 | John, this answer (and the associated comments) is a rant. Pure and simple. Your responses to @jimsug's comments say as much, and as I reread the answer, it comes off as more of a meta-style string of complaints. You don't like parts of the system, and you're using this question to say so. Even if what I've just said is false, I stand by my original point, because, as jimsug has said, laws aren't built up from these sort of cases. As such, they are irrelevant. Please focus on the question itself, and cite something reputable to back up your points; otherwise, it comes across as a rant. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 1:54 | comment | added | jimsug | There's no irony in downvoting a poor answer - whoever did it is justified in doing so. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 1:45 | comment | added | John Duffield | @jimsug : you've changed your comment. Please don't do this. And please,don't talk about shooting people in the head. As for "issues on other sites", the OP concerns stack exchange. If there were no issues, we wouldn't have questions like this. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 1:27 | comment | added | John Duffield | @jimsug : the internal logic is crystal clear. There is no contradiction. The moot point is that whilst downvoting isn't cyberbullying, Stack Exchange though its "moderators" actively participates in such, and this is a threat to the corporation. You can pretend it isn't happening, but if you do, one day this will bite your arse off. I hope that's helpful. And irony of ironies, a downvote. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 1:09 | comment | added | jimsug | Umm, no it's not helpful. The internal logic of your answer is still contradictory. That comment doesn't address the issue that I mentioned, which is that you appear to answer that downvotes cannot be considered online bullying, but that the button maybe can. It's like saying that stabbing someone in the heart can't be considered homicide, but that a knife maybe can be considered a tool for homicide (though perhaps that example is somewhat extreme). And please don't use Law SE as a platform to complain about your issues on other sites. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 1:06 | comment | added | John Duffield | @jimsug : the real issue here is that SE unfairly suspends posters for opposing cyberbullying, then permits other posters to impersonate the banned user, and gives free rein to cyberbullies who say things like "The 'cool down' suggests that there might be comments we cannot see anymore to trigger that". This is what's called heading for a fall. I hope that's helpful. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 1:00 | comment | added | jimsug | The law is formed from opinion based on precedent and policy, not anecdotal evidence. In any case - you say that the downvoting system can't be considered online bullying (and this almost certainly means that all components of it - the downvote button, the reputation removal - cannot), but then you say that the downvote button can maybe could be considered a bullying tool. Could you please clarify? As it stands, this answer is rather confusing and unhelpful. | |
| Nov 15, 2015 at 0:45 | comment | added | John Duffield | @HDE 226868 : The law is formed from opinion. I can't add such citations to improve my answer, but what I can add is that sometimes stack exchange "moderators" participate in and/or give free rein to abusive anonymous cyberbullying, and then unfairly penalise posters who oppose it. Whilst arguably anecdotal, this IMHO presents a major threat to the Stack Exchange business model. It's one thing for SE to provide a platform wherein criminality occurs, but it's another thing altogether for its officers to participate in, and aid and abet such criminality. This is the heart of fabrice's question. | |
| Nov 14, 2015 at 22:06 | comment | added | HDE 226868 | Hi, John, welcome to Law. In general, answers should cite text from a given law, or else provide a source for a reputable interpretation of a law, if that specific law is mentioned in the question. In this case, though, a citation would be really good. This appears to be ~90% opinion. Can you add such citations to improve your answer? Thanks. | |
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| Nov 14, 2015 at 18:33 | history | answered | John Duffield | CC BY-SA 3.0 |