Timeline for Is it legal to sell 'Vaccine Control Group' ID cards stating the holder "must not be vaccinated"?
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| Sep 6, 2021 at 14:20 | history | edited | PMF | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Sep 5, 2021 at 20:04 | comment | added | user40826 | Yes! @Nate Eldredge | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:49 | comment | added | Nate Eldredge | I agree this doesn't necessarily answer the question of whether the project is illegal, except to the extent that calling it a "study" may be misleading and fraudulent. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:48 | comment | added | Nate Eldredge | @PMF: Note that reputable studies require that the study is fully designed, with ethical approval, before participants are solicited, and that participants are fully informed of the goals, risks and benefits of the study before agreeing to participate. You can't recruit participants into a study that doesn't exist yet; it's entirely against the principles of human subjects research. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:45 | comment | added | Nate Eldredge | @dorkle: Yes, but like I said, to get the ID card you have to pay (merely "joining the study" does not entitle you to one). Legitimate studies do not get their funding from soliciting donations from their own participants, or selling stuff to them. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:30 | comment | added | PMF | @dorkle Possible, but how do you prove that? | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:30 | comment | added | user40826 | @Nate Eldredge >Participants can join the study without incurring any costs. However, this project will incur significant expenses to support the proposed scale and run the technology required and there are ways you can support this project financially if you so wish. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:27 | comment | added | user40826 | @PMF They are spreading misinformation, I would say they never in the slightest, intended, or even thought of creating a valid scientific study. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:23 | comment | added | PMF | That is, of course, unless they never actually intend to create any scientific studies. But that would be hard to prove, I fear. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:21 | comment | added | PMF | @NateEldredge I tend to agree, but still I'm unsure whether that's really illegal. Selling useless stuff isn't. And they don't seem to be proclaiming something they cannot hold. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:19 | comment | added | user40826 | That's exactly what I was thinking @Nate Eldredge | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:12 | comment | added | Nate Eldredge | Also, a reputable scientific study normally wouldn't incur costs to the participants, as this does (physical cards are only issued to "Associates" which costs money). It's pretty clear that it is a scam, trying to extract money from people that don't want to be vaccinated and who hope that an official-looking card will help them evade vaccination requirements. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:10 | comment | added | user40826 | Would it be considered a scam then? | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:09 | comment | added | Nate Eldredge | Having a control group would make sense if it were part of a well-designed scientific study, with appropriate ethical oversight by an IRB or similar body. There is no indication that this group is associated with any such study. Moreover, in any medical study, there are usually criteria for when the safety and efficacy of the treatment is so clear that it is unethical to refuse it to the control group, and I think many would say that COVID vaccines have reached this point. | |
| Sep 5, 2021 at 19:00 | history | answered | PMF | CC BY-SA 4.0 |