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For several years YouTuber Mark Rober has posted videos where he builds a device that can record video, play sounds, flash lights, spray fart spray, and shoot glitter when opened. He puts them in packages that are disguised as desirable expensive electronics and leaves them out on porches as if they are deliveries. People steal them and when they open them they automatically start performing the aforementioned functions.

In this year's video someone opens the package while driving so it occurred to me that could easily cause injury or damage if a driver lost control of their car as a result of the glitter bomb.

So if someone stole one of these packages and was injured or caused damage in conjunction with these glitter bombs, is it conceivable that Mark Rober could be held legally accountable or even criminally liable?

I'm just curious from a legal perspective. I am not associated with him in any way nor do I plan on doing anything similar. I also only ever seen this in YouTube videos and have never been the victim of anything like this. I assume (since he's a smart guy) that he wouldn't do it if there was a big legal risk for him. Practically speaking it would presumably have to be a pretty severe accident for anything to happen since the complainant would have to admit to theft and pay for legal representation.

I found a couple questions here relating to glitter bombs but they seem a bit different than this situation (and don't really have thorough answers).

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    "the complainant would have to admit to theft": Not necessarily - if the thief crashed into an innocent driver, that driver could potentially sue Rober without admitting to anything. And they wouldn't necessarily have to "pay for legal representation"; the driver collects on their insurance, and the insurer (who has plenty of staff lawyers) sues Rober on the injured driver's behalf. Commented Dec 18, 2021 at 23:26
  • That's a good point
    – shim
    Commented Dec 18, 2021 at 23:28
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    I suppose regardless of whether Mark would win or lose this case it could still be an expensive legal situation for him.
    – shim
    Commented Dec 18, 2021 at 23:29

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Probably liable towards third parties

Let us assume Mark create a distracting package, Thaler the Thief steals it, it goes off and causes Thaler to hit Barbara the Bystander’s car.

Mark is not liable towards the thief

If Thaler sues Mark, the court will probably apply the old adage that Nemo auditur propriam turpitudinem allegans ("none shall legally rely on its own faulty conduct").

The case is somewhat parallel to Cour de Cassation, Chambre sociale, du 8 juin 1995, 93-13.958, where a widow sued for the payout of her husband’s state life insurance. The highest court said that killing your own husband excludes you from those benefits, even in the absence of a statutory or contractual basis. It is not exactly the same (suit against state insurance with a contract, vs. suit between private parties without a contract), but the determining factor (a principle of law applicable even without a statutory basis) seems similar enough.

Basic rules of liability towards third parties

If Barbara sues Mark however, this principle does not apply, so it becomes interesting. The usual test of civil liability (article 1240 of the civil code) requires (1) damage (2) caused by (3) faulty conduct.

Damage (1) is easy - that is whatever amount worth of repairs Barbara’s car needed (plus health consequences for Barbara etc.).

Causation (2) is also easy. In this hypothetical, but for the package, the car crash would not have happened.

Finally, faulty conduct (3) is a bit tougher. Mark does not need to have intended the damage to happen or be likely, per article 1241 of the civil code ("one is liable not only by one’s direct conduct, but also by one’s negligence or imprudence"). Mark clearly intended the package to go off and suprise Thaler; that this happened at an inopportune moment, though unlikely, was within the realm of possibilities.

Mark's possible defenses

Mark could argue that the package shenanigans did not in fact cause the accident. He might have had video or audio recording showing that Thaler was driving imprudently before the package went off. However, establishing that if not for the package, the crash would still have happened, with a similar intensity seems extremely hard.

Mark could raise multiple arguments to the effect that his responsibility to the final damage is very limited. Mark could, credibly, obtain a declaration from the court that the damage is due (say) for 1% to Mark and 99% to Thaler. However, in practice, this does not matter. All parties that contributed to a damage are jointly liable for the total amount (see e.g. 27 mars 2003, Cour de cassation, Pourvoi n° 01-00.850); it is likely that Thaler is broke, in which case Barbara will go after Mark’s assets for 100% of her costs, and Mark now holds a (practically worthless) claim of refund from Thaler.

Next, Mark could argue that the damage was not caused by him, but rather by a package that he no longer controlled. Relying on the first section of article 1542:

On est responsable non seulement du dommage que l'on cause par son propre fait, mais encore de celui qui est causé par le fait (...) des choses que l'on a sous sa garde.

One is liable not only from damage from one’s direct conduct, but also that caused by (...) things under one’s custody.

...Mark would read this, a contrario, that one cannot be liable for things that are no longer under one’s custody.

This would be an effective shield against liability if the package was, say, a heavy TV set with unexpectedly slippery packaging, which the thief dropped on Barbara’s car or foot. However, I doubt this would work here. Mark intended for the package to be stolen and to disturb the thief; this disturbance is very much under Mark’s control, and is the reason he spent hours rigging the package.

Finally, Mark could argue that setting porch traps is a reasonable thing to do, i.e. not "faulty conduct", no matter what its consequences are. Mark would say it is similar to putting extreme amounts of spice in one’s food in the work fridge, when one suspects a coworker of stealing it (which is legal); Barbara would say it is similar to laying out deadly trap in one’s house (which is illegal). I think Barbara has the stronger side of the argument here, given that rigging up packages is not exactly a widespread activity, and that it had in fact consequences.

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  • "Mark clearly intended the package to go off and suprise Thaler". Could Mark really have foreseen that Thaler would steal the package?
    – Barmar
    Commented Sep 2 at 21:12
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    @Barmar: The identity of the thief is not relevant. The whole point of Marks' multiple videos is that yes, he very much did foresee someone stealing the package.
    – MSalters
    Commented Sep 3 at 15:40
  • Latin's nice and all, but readers may be interested to know the common name is Clean Hands Doctrine
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Sep 3 at 20:33
  • @BenVoigt (1) "Clean hands" applies to common law juridictions, not civil law jurisdictions; I suppose there are different limits, case law etc. I would rather use the correct keywords if some reader wants to search further. (2) The 1995 case I cited uses the Latin formulation, although looking at ngrams, the French version has become more popular than the Latin one by a factor of 3 since the 2000s.
    – UJM
    Commented Sep 4 at 8:31
  • Another possible question is whether the analysis is "but for the package" or "but for the package being a trap", i.e. opening a package while driving is a terrible idea even if the contents were exactly what the thief expected, and the thief, distracted by his own choice to negligently open the package while in motion, might have crashed after taking any package and not only after taking Rober's.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Sep 4 at 18:53

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