Hypothetical: I say negative stuff about John Doe to my psychologist, stuff which isn't defamation per se. My psychologist doesn't directly act on my statements, but does share my statements with third parties. Due to those statements those third parties cancel contracts with John Doe, stop buying products from John Doe, etc.

Could I use as a defense against defamation the fact that I thought my statements to John Doe wouldn't be shared with anyone?

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    What jurisdiction is this in? What country, and if it is a federal country, what state or province? Mar 31 '19 at 0:52
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    This Q&A is a poster child for the main problem of this stack: It has three contradictory answers (Yes, Possibly, and No) one each from three valued contributors who each have a 5-digit rep here.
    – davidbak
    Mar 31 '19 at 20:16
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    Is the hypothetical negative stuff false?
    – reirab
    Apr 1 '19 at 4:48
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    @davidbak I notice that none of the three answers have any citations.
    – D M
    Apr 1 '19 at 5:20
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    Was just typing up what @reirab said. Defimation is a FALSE statement of fact. If you're telling your psychologist John Doe punches babies in the face, that is negative stuff, but if true, it is not defamatory. Also, it helps if we know the specific statement as there are things that by law, Psychologists cannot keep confidential. These unusually involve suicide, homicide, or abusive behaviors brought to their attention (i.e. John Doe being Suicidal would legally require a breech in confidentiality).
    – hszmv
    Apr 1 '19 at 18:58


Making statements in a legally protected confidential context is not publishing them, and in most jurisdictions, defamation must be published to create a cause of action. In such a case the patient might well have a cause of action against the therapist for violation of patient confidentially, and a complaint to the relevant authority could get the therapist's license revoked, or perhaps a censure from the licensing authority, whatever it is the the jurisdiction.

Note "published" does not have to mean putting them in print, but does mean making them in such a way that general circulation of them is plausible.

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    Can you provide links to the laws that would confirm this?
    – UKMonkey
    Apr 1 '19 at 11:20
  • We don't really know just what context our protagonist made a statement to John Doe's psychologist about John Doe in. A confidential communication of a client to a psychologist in therapy is clearly protected. A confidential communication about a client to a psychologist related to therapy might be legally confidential. A conversation with the psychologist that happens to end up discussing John Doe and isn't specifically in the context of therapy or mental health treatment, however, might have less protection.
    – ohwilleke
    Apr 2 '19 at 13:59
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    @ohwilleke I take it that the protagonist spoke to the protagonist's own therapist about John Doe, a third party, and the therapist repeated those remarks, which is why I focused on the privileged nature of the communication. The facts in the question are a little thin. Sep 12 '19 at 22:47


Qualified privilege is a defense in defamation. The statement would have to have been made without malice, be made in an appropriate situations and for a reasonable cause. If making the mistaken accusation, under assumptions of confidentiality, is reasonably related to the therapeutic goals of your sessions with the psychologist, it could be. The question is whether freely communicating the belief is critical to a reasonable purpose (such as getting your head straightened out).

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    Could you comment on what "malice" means in this context? In particular, is it sufficient for the accusations to have been made out of anger/spite, or would it be necessary for the accusations to have been intended to cause material harm?
    – Nat
    Apr 1 '19 at 3:27

According to the 1989 Wisconsin Supreme Court case Zinda v. Louisiana Pacific Corp, there is something called "conditional privilege" which can make an otherwise defamatory statement not actionable.

An occasion makes a publication conditionally privileged if the circumstances lead any one of several persons having a common interest in a particular subject matter correctly or reasonably to believe that there is information that another sharing the common interest is entitled to know.

However (formatting mine):

The Restatement 2d of Torts lists five conditions which may constitute an abuse of the privilege, and the occurrence of any one causes the loss of the privilege. The privilege may be abused:

(1) because of the defendant's knowledge or reckless disregard as to the falsity of the defamatory matter (see secs. 600-602);

(2) because the defamatory matter is published for some purpose other than that for which the particular privilege is given (see sec. 603);

(3) because the publication is made to some person not reasonably believed to be necessary for the accomplishment of the purpose of the particular privilege (see sec. 604);

(4) because the publication includes defamatory matter not reasonably believed to be necessary to accomplish the purpose for which the occasion is privileged (see sec. 605); or

(5) the publication includes unprivileged matter as well as privileged matter (see sec. 605A).

It's important to note that, while the Restatement of Torts is used by many states in many situations, state law can override it, so this may not apply in all states.



At least in

Let’s assume that what you say to your psychologist is false and causes damage to John Doe.

Making the statement to the psychologist is the defamatory act.

There are 8 defenses to defamation under Australian law:

  1. Justification (i.e. truth),
  2. Absolute privilege,
  3. Publication of public documents,
  4. Fair report of proceedings of public concern,
  5. Qualified privilege for provision of certain information,
  6. Honest opinion,
  7. Innocent dissemination,
  8. Triviality.

As asked by the OP, qualified privilege does not apply as it requires that your psychologist has an interest in the information (i.e. it is related to your treatment), it was said to give that information and that the OP acted reasonably. It is specifically not defamation per see (e.g. allegations of crimes) so it is difficult to see why your psychologist needs to know this.

Assuming the psychologist does not defame John, that is, she just reports that you said what you said then John has a case against you only.

You can sue your psychologist for breach of confidence, probably for the full amount John gets from you but her breach is not a defense for you.

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    It is one of the four elements of the offense of defamation that the statement be unprivileged. A statement to a psychologist is privileged. Apr 1 '19 at 0:11
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    Can you provide links to the laws that would confirm this?
    – UKMonkey
    Apr 1 '19 at 11:20
  • I don't think I've ever seen a more incorrect answer on this site. Wow.
    – user91988
    Apr 1 '19 at 16:42
  • @DavidSchwartz There are 8 defenses - see legalvision.com.au/defences-to-defamation. Privilege is only relevant if it is an absolute privilege- doctor patient relationships aren’t.
    – Dale M
    Apr 1 '19 at 19:50
  • @DaleM That link is about Australian law. This question is tagged United States.
    – reirab
    Apr 1 '19 at 20:07

Sometimes yes, and sometimes no, depending upon additional facts.

First of all, we don't know what kind of statements were made to John Doe's psychologist. In the question you state:

I say negative stuff about John Doe to my psychologist, stuff which isn't defamation per se.

Negative stuff about John Doe is a defamatory statement in an older, traditional sense of the word in a legal context, but isn't necessarily a defamatory statement under modern legal standards. The modern U.S. law of defamation is summarized here, and is relatively uniform in the U.S. because it derives from a shared heritage of common law tort law and because it is limited by a shared body of U.S. constitutional law interpreting the First Amendment.

We know that the statement can't be one of the following four matters:

  • Indications that a person was involved in criminal activity

  • Indications that a person had a "loathsome," contagious or infectious disease

  • Indications that a person was unchaste or engaged in sexual misconduct

  • Indications that a person was involved in behavior incompatible with the proper conduct of his business, trade or profession

These statements cannot be defamatory under U.S. law, for example, if they are true, or if they are statements of opinion that do not unequivocally imply statements of fact that are not true.

We also need to know what information the psychologist shared and why.

The psychologist is only authorized to disclose confidential information about John Doe's mental health to third-parties if it is particular kinds of information (e.g. he is a threat to himself or a threat to others). The strict legal privilege against disclosing such information in court, even pursuant to a subpoena, is typically limited to confidential communications from the patient/client himself (often modeled on the attorney-client privilege), but the expectation of non-disclosure is typically broader, not as a function of a legal privilege, but as a function of a psychologist's broader fiduciary duties to the patient/client.

If it was not that kind of information, it might not be foreseeable that your statement to about John Doe to the psychologist would cause harm and harm is not presumed if the statement is not defamation per se, so the chain of causation between your statement to the psychologist and the harm.

Also, while the New York Times v. Sullivan, actual malice test, which makes statements actionable only if they are knowingly false or made with reckless disregard to their truth or falsity only applies to public figures and matters of public concern, almost anything that a psychologist for John Doe could legally share would almost by definition be a matter of public concern.

So, either the psychologist breached a duty of confidentiality, in which case the chain of damages caused by the statement is broken, or the statement to the psychologist was a matter of public concern, in which case it is only actionable if you knew it was false, or if you said it with reckless disregard for the truth. (There might be valid grounds to sue the psychologist for a breached duty of confidentiality even if the statement was not defamatory in the usual U.S. sense because was actually true.)

On the other hand, the psychologist might have felt at liberty to disclose the information if he was led to believe that it was not confidential mental health information, either because the psychologists believes that the information is widely known to the general public, or because the psychologist believes that the information is completely unrelated to his mental health.

For example, if John Doe is the Mayor of the local town, disclosing that John Doe is the Mayor would not be a confidential fact. Similarly, if John Doe is the tallest man in town at 6'10", disclosing his height would probably not be considered a mental health matter that a psychologist had a special duty to keep secret.

Now, if you did indeed knowingly make a blatantly false statement to John Doe's psychologist that was something that the psychologist had a right and duty to disclose and that caused John Doe quantifiable economic harm, this probably would be actionable defamation.

But, it is hard to come up with examples of something you could have said to John Doe's psychologist that would not violated expectations of confidentiality, while not constituting defamation per se. Certainly, this involves a fairly small subset of the fact patterns that could be present in the question.

But, I suppose that there could be statements like that.

For example, suppose that you knowing lied when you told the psychologist that you saw a photo on John Doe's Facebook page of John Doe legally killing defenseless bear cubs while they were hibernating. This is something that causes many people to think ill of a person, but isn't a crime, isn't a disease, doesn't involve having sex or infidelity, and may very well have nothing directly to do with John Doe's business in any direct way, so it isn't negligence per se, but it could cause people to cease to do business with him. And, the psychologist could plausibly think that since this was not a confidential statement about John Doe's mental health that he was legally required to keep secret because according to you, John Doe has already posted this fact publicly for all of the world to see.

In that scenario, you probably would have defamation liability to John Doe for the amount of economic harm that he could prove was caused by this defamatory statement.

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