Conversations with the person on an recorded state line, When you call state officials and you’re already on a recorded line and you tell them that you’re recording the phone call also, and they tell you it’s illegal to record ,how is this possibly illegal for me recording if they are already recording you?
This depends entirely on STATE law, and you need to list the state(s) you are interested in in the question. Thus, the usual legal statement "it depends."
POLICE ARE NOT ATTORNEYS
Don't accept legal advice from the police at face value. Police frequently don't actually know the minutiae of the law, and/or often misunderstand it. Their job is not to provide legal advice nor legal judgement, their job is to enforce the law based on certain priorities. Thus the area of enforcement is usually narrowed to specific categories so they can be experts in that area. (I.e vice cops, bunko squad, homicide division, etc.)
But police are not lawyers, so don't expect them to understand the law. They did not attend 3 years of law school after attaining a college degree, which lawyers DO. Police get as little as 3 months training (in some states like Arkansas they can be put on duty without ANY training for up to a year (!) before attending the academy).
THAT SAID, REGARDING CALL RECORDINGS:
There are single and two party states. In single party states, any single person who is part of a call or communication can record it. In "two party" states, everyone that is part of the call must be informed.
There are numerous exceptions and stipulations however.
First off, is there an "expectation of privacy." Again this varies by state and case law. Generally, if there is no expectation of privacy, then there is a clear exception to record. For instance, if you are in a busy restaurant, and people around you can hear or eavesdrop, you have no expectation of privacy.
Courts have also ruled that if you are in the presence of a police officer performing official duties, there is also no expectation of privacy (not for either of you).
IS IT LIVE OR IS IT MEMOREX
Are you being recorded? If you are in a two/all party state, and you have an expectation of privacy (a phone call made in your home) then one of the following must occur:
- If the police are recording you without your knowledge, they must have a court order permitting them to do so as part of an investigation.
- Otherwise you must be notified with a statement at the beginning of the call that the call is being recorded. (Typically your option is to hang up or continue. Continuing the call implies your consent.)
- In some states the notification can be in the form of a "duck" or a beep every 15 seconds (time period varies, this is also different per state).
OPINION NOT ADVICE BELOW
I would think that being notified that a call is being recorded ends any expectation of privacy for any involved party. Assuming the state law and related case law supports recording when there is no expectation of privacy, this circumstance would seem to permit recording legally.
Doubly so if your were talking to police in official capacity (did you notice a beep every xx seconds?)
CAUTION: Because this varies so much by state, and because even the various Federal District Courts are not in unanimous agreement on the minutiae, there may be other factors to consider.
Florida law requires both parties to consent for the call to be legally recorded. http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/florida-recording-law
If they are not consenting to the recording by asking you not to record them, they can not and are probably not recording you.