Ok please bear with me I am new.

Basically here is my story, Me and my fiancé were heading to Walmart. In my little town I have to get onto the interstate for about 2,000 feet then merge off left to get onto highway 51 to Walmart.

Once I blinkered over into the first lane I looked left and back right blinkered over. I did the same into the second lane and the same into the 3rd lane which was the exit.

Once I got in the exit lane the speed limit dropped to 45 mph. Once I am all the way over I have a unmarked blue f150 and a white Malibu get behind me. At this time I am at 45mph and they had just got off the interstate and merged left as I did.

Of course the truck and car were traveling at 70 plus mph thus causing them to hit there breaks (I was in the way). The blue f150 then rides my ass for approximately 6 miles. The white Malibu passes us both and then the blue f150 began to pass.

Me being frustrated for the truck riding my ass I rolled down the window and CNN flipped them off. Unknowingly I just flipped off a Illinois’s state police special agent. The blue f150 Was 3/4 the way past me when they hit the breaks got back behind me and pull me over.

Once she got to my window her comment was “if your going to flip me off your getting a ticket”. She accused me of not using my blinker when I got on the highway 6 miles ago. She took my liscense and insurance and 10 minutes later I had a marked state cop stop and write me a ticket for what the special agent said I had done on the interstate.

I called the commander at the ISP and he claimed special agents vehicles don’t have dash cams to prevent being detected. With that said it is basically my word vs her word right? Is this something I should plead not guilty to?

I honestly for 100 percent know I used my blinker. I feel as if she got the finger for driving poorly and I got the ticket for questioning authority. Please let me know what you think, thank you very much.

  • Advising you how you should plead would be giving legal advice; you have to hire a lawyer for that. Random people on the Internet can't provide it. – Nate Eldredge Mar 4 '20 at 4:09
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    It seems to be not even legal advice, but advice how to handle the police in the USA. According to your description, the police car entered the exit at excessive speed, was forced by the fact you drive at the speed limit, followed you for six miles at a dangerously close distance, you flipped him, he then retaliated by lying about you not using your indicator. The law would be on your side. The court, most likely not. Pay up or ask a lawyer, who will tell you to pay up. – gnasher729 Mar 4 '20 at 12:02
  • PS. In Germany, if you flip someone they can take you to court and it will cost you if proven. If you flip an officer of the state (for example a police officer), you will go to court if there is evidence. – gnasher729 Mar 4 '20 at 12:04
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    Can you please state the jurisdiction you live in (Nation and if U.S.A. please list your state). – hszmv Mar 4 '20 at 13:45
  • I am in the US Illinois’s to be exact, I have a bs associate degree in administrative of justice I picked up in jr college before I realized the corrupt judicial system I would be taking part of if I join the police. My point is I had an instructor by the name of Regina she is former chief of police in Belleville IL. She openly admitted she would become upset and give the department names “Gina wave” flipping someone off. She claimed to have done it and been reported in a squad car. She admits stupid but not touchable by the criminal justice system. – Jordan Mar 6 '20 at 1:47

Edit: This answer assumes a jurisdiction in the United States of America based on the use of "Interstate" in the original question asked. If the jurisdiction is outside of U.S. territory, it may not be correct.

So this isn't going to advise you to plead and contact a lawyer in your state for specializing in traffic issues. If you take this matter to court, keep in mind it's not "your word against her." You have a witness in the car, who I presume will testify that she does not recall you shifting lanes without signalling (I'm assuming you and her discussed the stupidity of the whole event and she backed up your claim). So it's your claim word and your fiance's word vs. her word... which tilts the case in your favor.

Additionally, the cops admitted her vehicle did not have dash cam so there's no hard evidence they will be providing that can be determined one way or another. It's clear that you flipped off the cops, but unless they charged you with some violation for that action (I don't know what it could be, as assuming this is in the U.S. that action, while being very rude, can easily be defended as protected political speech... hell, there's a several decades old rap song that basically gives the verbal message of the hand gesture ("[Eff] the Police") and the government cannot punish you for it. This is a little off topic, but if you have some charge for flipping them off you might want to get in contact with the ACLU.).

Either way, you do not have to prove your claim is true, just that it's plausible, while the cop has to prove that not only is her story true, but there's no possible way another plausible explanation could exist at all. And while she's allowed to lie to you on the street about the existence (or lack there of) of dash cam footage, she's not allowed to introduce it as surprise evidence the day of the traffic court hearing and you can object on the grounds of not being allowed to examine the evidence. If the footage does not in fact exist at all, there's a good chance the prosecuter will drop the case, meaning you won't even have to make an argument (but you have to show up for it to be dropped.).

At the end of the day, you need to make the call on perusing this in court and if you want to do it with a lawyer or not. Most traffic tickets are largely considered "not worth it" and are paid prior to court date, which basically is pleaing guilty and then serving your sentence, and she's probably banking on the fine not being worth the time off from your work and the attorney fees. Ordinarily I'd say if you think it's worth your time at work and you think your defense is solid, it's not going to cost you much to argue and most judges I've seen in traffic court tend to knock some sentence off if you tell your side of the story, even if you are still guilty, and if it's going to put points on your liscense that's going to be something to definatly try to get knocked out by the judge, but it's not worth the attorney. However, given the nature of the story (charging you for a crime you did not commit as retaliation for political speech) and the fact you are bringing in the person you love to testify on your behalf (opening her up to perjury (way more serious than moving violations) if your not careful at worst, and a guilty verdict at best if you're not careful) a lawyer might be something to consider... and you can always speak with the public defender to see if they'll help out if you can't afford an attorney (Depending on how your state's traffic courts are handled, you may not be entitled but given the fact that this is some possible constitutional violations).

Also, one thing I'm curious about, when the cop who wrote the ticket talked to you... did you two discuss the flipping off of the cop in the unmarked car? If so, who mentioned that part of the incident first, you, him, or the unmarked cop? If you did not, did you hear the unmarked cop tell the marked cop that you flipped her off at any point (If you did not hear it, do not assume she told him. This will be a problem as the implication I of this situation, is that if cop 2 did not speciffically bring it up first during your interaction, it can speak to a problem in the timeline of when he learned about the gesture you threw... and in that case, it might be that she was getting him to write the ticket so she wouldn't have to testify to false information. Your ticketing officer is required to testify against you... but if cop 2 wrote the ticket, then cop 2 did not see the infraction and is giving hearsay testimony, which should be objected too. She saw the crime, don't let her get away with someone else testifying to her story for her.).

  • I found this today, this is close to mine the only difference is the cop passes me seen the freedom of speech gesture and then retaliated against me. Maybe if a jury could say once the cop attempted to pass me there was no offense ever committed and that’s why she was passing. Then seen the speech my middle finger and then retaliated. I know this is petty but hell this woman got a nice settlement. After all in American we 1 in 10 people killed are by police. More likely to dye by a cop then a car crash a natural disaster etc. – Jordan Mar 6 '20 at 1:26
  • Her retaliation could have got me killed, I will say I let them have a peice of my mind but 200 miles north of me in Chicago people will just pull out a gun and shoot if they don’t like the way you look. What if them picking at me caused me to get heated and do something stupid. I would be dead right now, cops in America shoot first then as questions. Taught to shoot one to the heat 2 to the chest when threatened. – Jordan Mar 6 '20 at 1:29
  • But to answer your question after the cop drilled me for the finger and took my liscense and insurance card about 5 minutes went by and a uniformed marked state cop pulls up. He instantly comes to my window ready to kill honestly, chest out eyes wide breathing extremely elevated. He ask did you flip off the blue truck. I said I’m not going to lie I did. She rode my ass tried to pass way above the limit and I flipped her off. He said ok and went back to the other cop. The unmarked special agent came back and said I had to wait until this officer was behind us to pull you over???!!!! – Jordan Mar 6 '20 at 1:33
  • I had been getting yelled at for 10 minutes before the uniformed cop pulled up. My ticket has no details/comments on it and it is times 25 minutes after the blue truck stopped me. Only one cop is named too the uniformed cop that showed up last. Something is fishy here. There story and tactics changed many times during this. Keep in mind I am 26 with a flawless driving record and no convictions. This was dumb of me but when the badge bends I stand my ground. It is truely the only life skill my father ever taught me that has remained true till this day – Jordan Mar 6 '20 at 1:36

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