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I just got an interesting edit suggestion to my recent question by someone who just registered (perhaps for the purpose of this edit suggestion).

It proposes that "lawyer" is replaced with "junior barrister" because:

australia splits its legal profession, so "lawyer" is wrong

It also injects a link to the professional profile of the person cited in the question.

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What is the deal with the splitting of the legal profession in Australia?

Is that just barristers and solicitors, pretty much like in New Zealand? Or something else? Is it actually wrong to call members of the legal profession in Australia lawyers?

I would guess that "lawyer" is just a general term, and the lack of specificity does not make it wrong. Am I wrong?

(I presume the actual purpose of the suggested edit is to inject the link and could speculate on who the user is, but that is irrelevant to this question.)

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    You're not wrong IMO and I rejected that edit as "no improvement" before reading this post.
    – Rick
    Jan 18 at 9:55
  • The split is whether they follow Cleaver Greene's code of conduct or not.
    – copper.hat
    Jan 19 at 22:27

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According to this Australian source the terms have the same meaning as every other jurisdiction I am familiar with:

Barristers are lawyers, but not all lawyers are barristers.

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    This answer would be improved by specifying which jurisdictions you're familiar with. (I'm hoping for Nepal and Burundi!)
    – R.M.
    Jan 19 at 15:52
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In many Common Law nations, the distinction between solicitor and barrister is that the solicitors traditionally have direct access to clients and do much of the paperwork and discuss the planning with the clients. In some jurisdictions it was/is common practice that the barrister is not hired by the client but appointed by the judge. The barrister in turn works with the solicitor and presents the case in the court and has little to no access to the client.

Historically, the division was much more stark, with solicitors working in the Court of Equity and barristers working in the Court of Common Law. Around the mid-1800s, the Court of Equity became defunct in the Common Law Legal system with the Court of Common Law fulfilling its duties and many Common Law nations changing how the split among lawyers now functions (often requiring separate tests to be a solicitor and a barrister).

The split remains in England, Wales, Scotland, three states in Australia (New South Wales, Queensland, and Victoria), Ireland (both the Republic and Northern Ireland), and Hong Kong. In these jurisdictions, a lawyer will hold only one title. In jurisdictions where lawyers may, or even are expected to, hold both titles, the system is called a “fused system”. Here, lawyers start their careers as one of the two and pick up the license to act in the other capacity later if they choose. This covers the jurisdictions of Canada, Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand, and the remaining Australian states. (Because Australia has a mix of fused and separated systems and state reciprocation, the three states with a separated system will reciprocate for states that allow for fusion. The reverse is not necessary, as fused states would only allow them for the license they already have.)

The United States is fully fused and all lawyers are solicitor-barristers, for comparison’s sake. This is why the U.S. uses “attorney” and “lawyer” interchangeably despite the former being another term for barrister in certain jurisdictions (namely Scotland) while the latter term refers to solicitors and barristers collectively. The U.S. did previously have a separate system, but completely fused when Courts of Equity disappeared in the 1850s and, therefore, the term “solicitor” is still used in the legal profession, though these days it tends to be an artefact title for an office or position that predated the fusion (e.g., The Solicitor General of the United States a.k.a. the lawyer whose office represents the federal government in the Supreme Court). Modern usage of “solicitor” tends to refer to a government lawyer, and most of the states with Solicitor offices are one of the Original 13 States (not all of them, though). Only three states that were not part of the original 13 use the term (Ohio, West Virginia (likely a hold over from when it was part of Virginia, which no longer uses the term), and Oklahoma). It should be noted the average U.S. Citizens associate the word solicitor with traveling salesman or door-to-door evangelizers, and generally use the term in signage forbidding the practice on private property.

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    'It should be noted the average U.S. Citizens associate "solicitors" as "traveling salesman" or "door to door Evangelicals' - really, wow - that's interesting.
    – deep64blue
    Jan 18 at 22:07
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    In pedantic U.S. terminology, one should really distinguish between "attorneys at law" who are lawyers, and "attorneys in fact" who are agents under powers of attorney and frequently are not lawyers.
    – ohwilleke
    Jan 19 at 2:37
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    "Soliciting" is also sometimes used as a euphemism for prostitution in U.S. English and in U.S. law.
    – ohwilleke
    Jan 19 at 2:42
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    Just a correction, according to austbar.asn.au/for-the-community/what-is-the-bar Victoria is also fused (unless things changed since 2019).
    – Aaron
    Jan 19 at 6:33
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    @Alan Dev, See this. You also see them in Canada, though I suspect not nearly as much as in the US
    – ikegami
    Jan 20 at 18:29
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Lawyer is perfectly fine

Lawyer is a catch-all term for both barristers and solicitors.

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  • On a related tangent what about attorneys?
    – Neil Meyer
    Jan 18 at 20:02
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    @NeilMeyer oh, yes, we have attorneys, but they aren’t lawyers or legal professionals of any kind. An attorney is a person with the legal power to act in the place of someone else.
    – Dale M
    Jan 18 at 21:01

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